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  • Go Surf Assist install


    Bovhica
    • Year: 2011 Brand: Malibu Model / Trim: Vride21 Device Type : Tab Style Surf Device Material: Aluminum Control: Powered with Automated Controller Cost: $3500+ Installation Shop: Idaho Water Sports Platform Type: Fiberglass

    I did a lot of research over the last year and finally pulled the trigger.  I purchased the Go Surf Assist system from Wakemakers and had my local dealer install on my 2011 Malibu VRide21 (05 - 08 VLX hull.)  It was the installers first GSA install so I had Ryan from GSA guide him through my hull specific details and general installation.

    Two issues arose with install of the tabs on my hull. 

    1.  Both Tab hinges needed to be modified around swim platform bump out on hull to ensure hinge was above bottom of hull.

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    2.  Tab had to be installed 2" in from side of hull because of swim platform and actuator clearance. 4" is the recommended measurement but GSA gives a 2" tolerance in either direction.

    Ryan also suggested that the tab angle at max deployment be set at 8 to 10 degrees for malibu hulls of this era.  This max angle will be the skim style setting on the controller.  My install resulted in 8* max deployment (skim style)20190330_114710.jpg.7f76c4e70589e9fbb215125de8968bd9.jpg

    and almost 0* (level with hull) minimum deployment for surf style wave.20190330_114658.jpg.e9112b9b3f4f899e3451276786b856e8.jpg I thought this was backwards, but confirmed it with Ryan and he said this install should be ideal.  There are also 3 angle settings on the controller between surf and skim settings for adjusting the wave.  It is also important for the tabs to retract as close the the swim platform brackets as possible when stowed to avoid potential wash in the wave.20190327_184604.jpg.203d093282de662a980868f45e9e9692.jpg

    I can just fit my pinky in between platform and tab for reference.

    The controller is nice and easy to use. 20190327_184351.jpg.c83861bc012867e2e4aae8bda18a366c.jpg It has some nice features.  One feature is lift mode, which dramatically improved my 0-22 mph time by approx 6 seconds with full ballast for wakeboarding!  I'm at 3000 ft with 350 motor and 2419 acme prop.20190330_114459.jpg.27bfb5e4d84ddb39f03cbc0b365c7af5.jpgI was really impressed and the tabs retract automatically at 15 or 16 mph once you are on plane.20190330_114440.jpg.d726e43ccbde918e5cbbb54ae5c2d3b1.jpgIt also will connect to Apple devices via bluetooth and the E61 surf app to allow remote control from Apple device.  15545723799064692487358077526903.jpg.35a504f706938d083b23129d9c316f2b.jpgThe newer controller also sets the tabs by default to your last setting on the dial.  So if you have the dial set to surf, when you hit surf left, the tab will deploy to the 0* angle on my setup.  The older controllers always defaulted to max deployment regardless of last setting and adjustments needed to be made each time.

    I have water tested the system and am really impressed with wave and system performance.  I have not surfed it yet because of cold water temp so all observations are from inside the boat.

    Ballast setup during testing:

    Bow:  750 plumbed bow bag on seat, 200 lead (no front tank on vride)

    Midship: 580 bag plumbed in place of hard tank, 370 plumbed bag under coffin seat port side, 600 lbs in peeps, 3/4 full fuel tank, 300 lead moved around as needed.

    Rear: 400 hard tanks, 1500 plumbed bags, floating wedge. GSA tabs.VideoCapture_20190330-193243.jpg.30f67fbbb588380b6f3b53d537cb6533.jpg

    Update: I forgot to mention a few other details.  Transfers were clocked just under 3 seconds,  Tabs provided some lift and lowered the bow significantly, especially when in skim setting.  Nose will rise slightly in surf setting vs skim, but both had less bow rise than same weight setup with a suckgate.  My shorter drivers will really appreciate this result.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


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    15 minutes ago, Number9 said:

    Great write-up.  Looks like a well executed install.   I really love that launch feature of the GSA.  I haven’t been able to try one or test it but your description is money for wake boarding.    

    Thank you.  I think it could be a game changer for my boat with the base power plant at elevation. 

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    12 minutes ago, Rugger said:

    Agree with above....Great write up. The pics of hose angles are helpful.  Timbrr loves his GSA on his Malibu I’m sure I would too and was a toss up between that or custom gates.  Thanks for posting.

    Hope I can help someone else researching or on the fence.  I will not comitt to loving it until I surf it but so far I think it was money well spent.

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    Update:  Now that we have been able to ride and tweek the GSA wave, i thought I would report our experiences.  A bit of weight adjustments were necessary to accommodate for the new system vs. the suckgate.  Once dialed we were blown away with wave shape, height, length and push at the back of the wave.  My average size riders were riding the pocket about 15 ft back and recovering from the wash approx. 20 ft back on skim boards! The fat guys like me, lol, were on the brakes way back in the curl! I had to adjust my normal stance back a bit on the board to get off the brakes.  Wave on port side had that curl and lip I've always been envious of on the goofy side! GSA, Imho, is superior in every way to the suckgate we ran last season.  Here is our ballast setup.

    Bow ballast approx 500 lbs: approx 350 in plumbed bag under seat and 150 lbs crew.

    Midship approx 500 to 600 lbs in plumbed bag under floor in place of hard tank.

    Cabin approx 1000 lbs in crew, gear and 300 plumbed bag under coffin seat for slight list to surf side.

    Rear approx 2600 lbs: 750s, hard tanks, 200 lead placed under bags, simulated wedge weight.

    Note:  We also had another 300 in lead to move around depending on surf side and crew seating to dial in the wave.

    GSA was dialed to surf setting for port and skim for goofy.  Bow rise was noticably less than last season with a suckgate.  Most riders preferred this setup for each side.  A couple less experienced riders preferred the GSA set to skim on port side for more mellow transition and height, which brought the bow even more.  I love being able to make these adjustments at the push of a button!

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    16 minutes ago, ryan said:

    Nice!   A whole lotta love for GSA out there, sounds like for good reason.  

    Curious... maybe you can throw the suck gate on too... just to see if both do anything together.   Before and after.

    Its definitely memorial day weekend as the weather has come in.  If we get a break, we plan to get some time on the water.  I'll throw it on and see what happens.  Ultimately these devices and systems are just delaying water convergence.  Not sure what doubling up will do, but cant hurt to experiment...lol.  I'll let you know!

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    Bovhica, great write up and great install. We were at lucky until 10 last night after work. The weather has been off for is and theres another cold front on the way in. Will be rolling a lime green and grey Tige r23 this summer. Come flag us down if you see us at lucky. We are mostly midweek evenings and occasionally buzz up on Sunday but wont get up there until 530-6

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    8 hours ago, freeheel4life said:

    Bovhica, great write up and great install. We were at lucky until 10 last night after work. The weather has been off for is and theres another cold front on the way in. Will be rolling a lime green and grey Tige r23 this summer. Come flag us down if you see us at lucky. We are mostly midweek evenings and occasionally buzz up on Sunday but wont get up there until 530-6

    Likewise, flag us down if you see us!  Haven't been to lucky other than to test the system early in april.  We've been at lowell quite a bit.  Water temp was 75 last time we were out over the weekend.  What's the water temp at lucky? 

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    Didnt bother looking at the water temp.  Everyone rode no tops or suits and we surfed until about 930. Air temp was 92 on the way up there.  I will snag a pic of our shop boat, though I'm often out on other boats too. Will keep any eye out man!!

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    On 6/14/2020 at 11:18 AM, GloverT said:

    Great write up! We finally committed and bought the system yesterday. 

    When you receive the system is there any chance you would take measurements of the tabs? 

     

    I’m looking to duplicate the GSA tabs and use the controller documented here in other threads. 

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    6 hours ago, Landho said:

    Thank you for this post & pics... just started install for an ‘05 VLX (same hull as yours), and your tip on hacking the hinges saved me wasted time waiting for support to reply 

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    Glad it helped! Once you get it dialed, you will wonder how you lived without it!

    Dialing will be different than using a suckgate.  GSA likes lots of weight in the rear. Without making proper adjustments, you will likely be disappointed.  I upgraded to 1000s in the rear.  Here's our current setup after a couple seasons dialing and perfecting the wave.

    Rear: 2400 tanks and bags + floating wedge, 150 lead in vdrive tray under middle seat. 50 lead under each port and starboard rear seats. Fyi....We also will drain non surf side hard tank to clean up wave sometimes.

    Mid: plmbed 300 bag under port coffin seat for slight list to surf side, 50 lead in observer compatment, 500 to 600 plumbed bag in place of mid hard tank (my boat only has rear factory tanks) mid bag is a 650, but actual weight is my best guess.

    Front approx 300 to 400 bag under modified playpen seat, 200 lead stuffed in the nose.

    1st Picture of skim setting. Rider is on skim board and way back! He's about 5'9" and 175 lbs for reference. 

    2nd photo is of same rider at surf setting. I know camera angle is different but wave does change significantly. 

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    Thanks!  That’s a lot of weight... we’re hoping to not have to put as much weight up front with the GSA.  Currently we have stock rear, center tanks  -  700 piggy backs integrated in each rear corner (I have ordered 810 from wake makers) , a 300 plug and fill under front seat, and two additional 400’s we can move around. Plus dual 1100 cca batteries, three amps, subs, and usually 5 or more ppl.

    Which prop do you run for that setup?

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    5 hours ago, Landho said:

    Thanks!  That’s a lot of weight... we’re hoping to not have to put as much weight up front with the GSA.  Currently we have stock rear, center tanks  -  700 piggy backs integrated in each rear corner (I have ordered 810 from wake makers) , a 300 plug and fill under front seat, and two additional 400’s we can move around. Plus dual 1100 cca batteries, three amps, subs, and usually 5 or more ppl.

    Which prop do you run for that setup?

    Your weight should be good! You can always have someone sit up front if you need it.  I'm slammed and we love the wave slammed, but the key will be your ratio.  GSA needs more in rear and less up front than suckgate.  You will just have to dial it to your liking. Sounds like you know what you're doing!  Post some pics! 

    I run the Acme 2419 with the Lcr 5.7 base motor.  At 2500 to 3000 ft we have no problem pushing the weight at 11 mph.  If I reduce front weight it struggles a bit. If crew is more than 5 or 6, I need to put people in the bow. All my ballast is under seat or hidden which frees up seating.  I used to need my bow bag (sumo 750) full and on top of bow seat when we ran a suckgate.  Now it's under my modified seat which gives us room for bigger crew up there with some lead to supplement. I like my wave with crew of 4 to 6.  Love it with 8 to 10!

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    27 minutes ago, freeheel4life said:

    @Bovhica Just curious....Do you know what actuators got used?? XD 101s?? Or XD102s

    Not sure.  I purchased a spare, just in case. I have the box in my garage.  I will try to remember to look this evening  and let you know.

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    1 hour ago, freeheel4life said:

    @Bovhica Just curious....Do you know what actuators got used?? XD 101s?? Or XD102s

    My kit came with 101XDS...

    I'm having hell getting things setup to my liking on this '05 VLX hull - really wish I had gotten (and used) the spacer instead of trimming the hinge.  I'm sure once I get the mounting locations dialed in i'll progress quicker - I need another set of hands to help (the tabs are bulky/heavy), so going to pause for now until my son can come help.

     

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    33 minutes ago, Landho said:

    My kit came with 101XDS...

    I'm having hell getting things setup to my liking on this '05 VLX hull - really wish I had gotten (and used) the spacer instead of trimming the hinge.  I'm sure once I get the mounting locations dialed in i'll progress quicker - I need another set of hands to help (the tabs are bulky/heavy), so going to pause for now until my son can come help.

     

    Grab some rope and tie to tab to the lifting eyes on each side. That's how I got mine setup. Finding the actuator mount position is the hardest part of the whole thing haha

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    That install was less than fun - I got lucky and I need my driver side panel remounted anyways - so I installed the switch right where the mount is to hide the temp fix.

    i measures 90 times and cut/mounted once - but my starboard side is still a bit lower and about 1/2” out of the swim deck ... port side is exactly where I wanted it.  My tabs seem to extend further than OP, but maybe I don’t have them tucked up far enough.

    The control panel required some righteous holes - and a mess - putting them where I did I had to drill three 1.25” holes and a 3/8” hole into the fiberglass behind the drivers side panel, what a mess!!!!  I appreciate the beefiness if everything - but believe there could be some improvement to the scale of those connectors to give more install location flexibility.  Pigtails off the control panel instead of plugs into the control panel would have also be 10X more easier 

    The blue tooth app doesn’t work for Jack, I’d love if it did.
     

    water test tomorrow but won’t have all ballast done tomorrow - so will be a mini test 

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