NSS style device for 210

That’s definitely gonna make some 210 owners very happy!!  Post the installation!   You’ve got this thing down for sure.   

I think most people are intimidated by the nss system as a retro.   Nautique by far has the best looking surf system I think... not going to get into which is “best”.  Too many variables and hull differences.    They all work great. 

Wow...that looks awesome!

On 7/14/2018 at 8:20 PM, Rugger said:

That’s definitely gonna make some 210 owners very happy!!  Post the installation!   You’ve got this thing down for sure.   

I think most people are intimidated by the nss system as a retro.   Nautique by far has the best looking surf system I think... not going to get into which is “best”.  Too many variables and hull differences.    They all work great. 

 

You're absolutely right! As for the looks and space, NSS is the best option. 

There's a lot of 210 owners that were asking to get a retro kit. 

Little update on the installed kit

Looks awesome @Max 1.6 !   I dig the matching color.   

10 hours ago, Rugger said:

Looks awesome @Max 1.6 !   I dig the matching color.   

So now will I get my hat? hahahaha

1 hour ago, Max 1.6 said:

So now will I get my hat? hahahaha

Yes, three completed projects gets you a hat.   We will PM instructions.   Thanks for posting the final installs!    Will be helpful and probably inspire members for sure.

Do you have any pics of the wake this puts out? Is it similar to the other styles people are making?  I really like how this looks like part of the boat and would like too try and do this to my 2008 SANTE 210. Thanks for the pics looks awesome.

1 hour ago, Fire Mike said:

Do you have any pics of the wake this puts out? Is it similar to the other styles people are making?  I really like how this looks like part of the boat and would like too try and do this to my 2008 SANTE 210. Thanks for the pics looks awesome.

Pretty decent for a 210 with standard ballast!

I have 3 kits in fabrication right now, I can sell you one if you'd like.

Thanks for the pic.  How much are your kits for a 2008 SANTE 210 and what does it all come with?

Thanks for the quick response.

I'm sending you a pm 

looks awesome mate! would anything like this work for early 210.. 2005? 

8 hours ago, Trav199 said:

looks awesome mate! would anything like this work for early 210.. 2005? 

it won't with the older style hull 

I have a 2007 226 any idea if they could be made to fit that boat ?

Thanks.

Nice work is it allstainless?

1 hour ago, Gbracer said:

I have a 2007 226 any idea if they could be made to fit that boat ?

Thanks.

Nice work is it allstainless?

Nothing yet for the 226... Yes it's all stainless

I love your work. I think the NSS is the most non invasive and cleanest looking surf system. 

Wish my hull was flat on the back, it would be a major pain to put one on mine. 

I have a ‘99 Sport Nautique, and would love to know if NSS-style tabs would be feasible.  I’m currently considering Go Surf Assist and Infinity wave.net.  The  NSS-style would be much cleaner looking.  I’d be happy to trace the shape of my transom, if that would help with a response.

21 hours ago, Russell said:

I have a ‘99 Sport Nautique, and would love to know if NSS-style tabs would be feasible.  I’m currently considering Go Surf Assist and Infinity wave.net.  The  NSS-style would be much cleaner looking.  I’d be happy to trace the shape of my transom, if that would help with a response.

Is the hull of a SN the same as the SAN 210 ?

I have no idea how similar or dissimilar they are.  I could send a photo.

10 minutes ago, Russell said:

I have no idea how similar or dissimilar they are.  I could send a photo.

You will also need to verify if you have the required space for the actuator. You need at least 11in of straight clearance to fit the actuator. That's the «bugger» in all the older nautiques.

Where does that measurement begin; vertical edge of the transom, looking towards the swim step bracket?

from horizontal to around 20deg from horizontal. That's the angle of actuator deployment you need to have a properly running system

Sage to say, an angle split between vertical and horizontal axis?  I’ll measure today, and send a photo.  Hypothetically, if we check the boxes favorably, what can I expect for installing all the parts and pieces required for working system?  Do you sell a complete kit, or just the tabs?  I’ll take the question a step further and ask if this is a complete kit, do I have a shot at a rider-held controller for transfers?

26 minutes ago, Russell said:

Sage to say, an angle split between vertical and horizontal axis?  I’ll measure today, and send a photo.  Hypothetically, if we check the boxes favorably, what can I expect for installing all the parts and pieces required for working system?  Do you sell a complete kit, or just the tabs?  I’ll take the question a step further and ask if this is a complete kit, do I have a shot at a rider-held controller for transfers?

We'll move this conversation to PM

I have approximately 9” from the vertical, outboard edges of my transom to the subtle change of angle, and the swim platform brackets; am I out of the running?

On 11/18/2019 at 10:28 AM, Max 1.6 said:

from horizontal to around 20deg from horizontal. That's the angle of actuator deployment you need to have a properly running system

Hey so I’m designing one for my boat.  Looking at new NSS systems they actually angle toward the front of the boat creating a less than 90 angle with the side of the boat they also don’t go down just out.  Why do most of the diy NSS systems go down and out.  I drew up my template and then drew a line from the bottom edge down 1.5” and out from the side 2.5” this extension would put my actuator at a 26 degree angle.  Does this sound right? has there been any testing to see if strait out to the side or even out and down or offset like I drew it?

I’m curious what changes would need to be implemented.  I built a testing device that essentially mimicking the deployed NSS.  I still have the device, but would need to measure the deployment dimensions.  I want to say the “blades” deployed equally down and out an inch or so.  I believe I filled my ballast for the test (1,400 lbs).  Possibly I tried with no ballast as well.  I’d say the results were not impressive.  Actually looked kinda crappy.  My Mission Delta produces a much more shapely and useable wake.  I make room for the possibility that the deployed blades need adjustment, just didn’t try it yet.  This summer maybe have another go at it.  I’d be curious what you come up with.  Keep me in the loop, please.

30 minutes ago, Russell said:

I’m curious what changes would need to be implemented.  I built a testing device that essentially mimicking the deployed NSS.  I still have the device, but would need to measure the deployment dimensions.  I want to say the “blades” deployed equally down and out an inch or so.  I believe I filled my ballast for the test (1,400 lbs).  Possibly I tried with no ballast as well.  I’d say the results were not impressive.  Actually looked kinda crappy.  My Mission Delta produces a much more shapely and useable wake.  I make room for the possibility that the deployed blades need adjustment, just didn’t try it yet.  This summer maybe have another go at it.  I’d be curious what you come up with.  Keep me in the loop, please.

what did you make the testing device out of i'm thinking about making my main stainless base plate and mounding it to the boat with a couple bolts where the slides would be then trying to make some temp things to try different orientations.

Chase,  I made the mock-up device out of a product called Paperstone.  It’s a waterproof material that we’ve used for countertops.  Essentially multiple layers of construction paper compressed with epoxy resin under a tremendous compression.  If I come up with an NSS setup that works, I’d build the system with aluminum or steel plate.  I’ve got remnants of paperstone laying around, so that’s why I used it.  It’s very stiff and waterproof, but for the finished product I’d go steel or aluminum plate.  When I return home I can send you photos of what I made for testing.

Hi Chase,

Im curious how similar or dissimilar your 210 is to my Sport.  I’ve never been around a 210 to be able to compare.  I’ve been trying to find a path towards an automated system for my boat for a few years.  With the exception of my attempt at mocking-up an NSS shaped “blade”,  I’ve only run my 1st gen Mission Delta.  It works pretty well.  The only NSS system I’ve experienced was a surf behind a G23 when they first hit the market.  That was my 1st time I’d surfed so easily without working really hard to not lose the wake.  In no uncertain terms, I believe the NSS is the sleekest system.  I’ve scoured the Internet for several years, hoping to find some who’s found a path forward with a hull like mine.  There’s been people who’ve gotten direct drives to throw impressive wakes.  It seems like they had heaps of ballast, to compensate for the motor living forward.  Since I’ve been not chasing the biggest wake, I’m not wanting to not only fill my trunk and ski locker ballast (approx 1,400 lbs), and I have no interest in pulling sacs on the floor and backseat, I’m limited to what size wake I can create.  I make an assumption that most of the community is striving for the biggest, most shapely wake they can create.  I’d love a bigger wake myself, even though I can foil effortlessly without any ballast, and the small wake that direct drives throw.  Riding a foil dramatically reduces the need for a big wake.  Do I covet a big wake; absolutely!!!

Im in southern Baja, wingfoiling for the winter-spring wind season.  When I get back home in a few weeks, the boat goes back in the water, and hopefully some more thoughts on an automated surf system that will make sense on my boat.  I’d be interested to see where your efforts take you.